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Post by Danny Rose on Mar 30, 2005 21:22:15 GMT
The real irony is that its Red Action who are the most vociferous in their denounciations of physical force anti-fascism. I have no argument with RA/IWCA, and what they are doing at the moment, but I don't understand why they are so completely negative towards anyone who thinks the fash should still be bashed on the odd occasion. Its only what they spent the last 25 years doing after all.
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Post by drunkpunklove on Apr 13, 2005 23:30:32 GMT
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Post by roddy on Apr 15, 2005 1:07:00 GMT
Oh! dear.How sad.Never mind. |
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Post by spbsharp on May 3, 2005 10:52:21 GMT
Oh! dear.How sad.Never mind. ;D ;D ;D OH! guys, where can i get a "Skinhead Girl" lyrics??  |
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Post by roddy on May 3, 2005 14:08:48 GMT
;D ;D ;D OH! guys, where can i get a "Skinhead Girl" lyrics?? Symarip - Skinhead Girl Skinhead girl, skinhead girl Skinhead girl, skinhead girl There she was, swinging down the high streets, yeah Her hair cut short, boots set firm I couldn't believe my eyes, that story out of a book She was my height, my weight, my size, she wore braces and blue jeans Skinhead girl, she was my Skinhead girl, she was my Skinhead girl I made up my mind, I was gonna be courageous, yeah I held out my hand, and touched her gentle She looked at me and smiled, I know that was for real She was my height, my weight, my size, she wore braces and blue jeans Skinhead girl, she was my Skinhead girl, she was my Skinhead girl |
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Post by Bootboy Geth on May 3, 2005 17:03:17 GMT
im not sure if id date a girl my height, weight and size
that be pretty scary
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Post by roddy on May 4, 2005 23:19:02 GMT
really??? that is funny as IWCA started up as a red action front along with some anarchists from AFA. my big problem with the IWCA is all this voting stuff. I think the idea is to give working class an alternative to the BNP.It's a case of ,"Fight them at the ballot box,and in the street.We will never surrender". |
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Post by Steve DIY on Jun 22, 2005 8:41:12 GMT
Anarcho its pretty reasonable to say that to move forward or trying to change society for the better you have to play the game. For far too long Anarchist and probably most Socialist organisations have just preached to the converted while forgetting of the vast majority of non converted people.
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Post by anarcho on Jun 22, 2005 14:34:37 GMT
Anarcho its pretty reasonable to say that to move forward or trying to change society for the better you have to play the game. For far too long Anarchist and probably most Socialist organisations have just preached to the converted while forgetting of the vast majority of non converted people. yes your right in a sense the left and anarchists do spend way to much time talking to themselves, however its not totally true. you only have to look at the poll tax and how working class people organised themselves with support from anarchists and others. there are many other example as well. Take a look at the history and voting never did anything of worth. better spending time working with communities than electioneering. I think the IWCA has many good idea's but voting isn't one of them. It sows to many illusions in the system. Groups like the BNP need to be challenged everyday and not just on election day. Back in my AFA days the BNP couldn't hold public meetings anywhere cos if they did they'd be told to fuck off physically. |
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Post by taff1969 on Jun 22, 2005 21:04:32 GMT
An interesting debate on a guestbook for once!
In my opinion, it depends on where you are from, and whether you look at it from the point of view as a Skinhead, or just a decent citizen. I haven't had anything to do with organised left wing politics since about 91 when I fucked off to Australia for a couple of years, and when I came back the local AFA (or whatever) turned out to be a complete bunch of idiots.
Had a shite job, so I decided to go to college to get a city & guilds in motorcycle mechanics so I could make my scooter go faster, but when I refused to get involved at their recruitment day they decided I had to be a Nazi (although I have a large Skinhead Reggae tattoo on my right arm! - mind you I was a bit obnoxious and in my refusal to play their game!), and it was well known around Edinburgh at the time that I was Anti-Nazi, to the point that I even had to watch where I drunk when going to Hearts games!
Anyway, to cut a long story short, someone got my folks telephone number (ex directory) from college records and then started phoning and threatening my family, although they never confronted me face to face, and they had plenty of opportunity!
However, this seems to be fairly localised, as never had any probs with the Glasgow anti-nazis, and same in London. Can't speak for anywhere else though, although one of my mates in Glasgow (antoher anti-nazi lad from the early 90's) was attacked by Anti-Nazi's mob handed when he was buying scooter parts from a shop in Rochdale! Seemed to me some of them couldn't tell the difference between a bonehead and an original shirt!
However, the fact is that the BNP and their ilk need to be challenged in many ways, to stop them. If they are prepared to use violence, then it has to be countered. If they are prepared to use the ballot box, then you need to vote, end of story. Apathy gets you nowhere.
On this basis then movements like RA/ IWCA are definitely a part of the solution, although sometimes I feel the need to take off their blinkers, and see the bigger picture. Unless you're wandering around with a Swastika/ Celtic Cross/ Lenin Badge etc then the way you dress, doesn't necessarily represent the way you think!
However, this is just my opinion based on my own experiences. Think for yourselves!
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Post by Steve DIY on Jun 23, 2005 9:45:21 GMT
Anarcho I don't believe Anarchists got involved very much with the Poll Tax thing apart from aligning themselves to various actions. I remember in Scotland in one area where the Anarchists went to join in on stiopping the baillifs from going in. The people of that estate stopped them dead in their tracks saying this had nothing to do with them and asked them politely to leave. Unfortunately most Anarchists like the SWP have the cheek to jump on causes.
I see no difference between Anarchist organisations and the SWP they milk other peoples circumstances for their own propaghanda. Its like the old Anti Fash thing where Anarchist Groups in the laet 80's and 90's claimed to be leading the fight against fascism. Everyone knew that was bollocks but like the SWP it didn't stop them taking the credit.
In a system where the BNP are using the ballot box I think it's fair that Anti Fascism also has to go in that direction. Beating the shit out of the BNP everywhere wont work no more - September 11th put paid to stuff like that. If Anti Fascism isn't taken to the ballot box to confront the BNP on an even playing filed then things wont change.
Having said that I don't vote. There's no party in my area who I'd like to see in power thought if the IWCA stood I'd probably make an effort to see them elected.
Taffy brings up some good points about Anti Fascism's failings with twatting anyone they considered fascist. I remember in Brum where some decided to have a pop at myself and Ivan from Class War - I think Brendan a Sinn Fein supporter was with us. The Anti Fascists came to that conclusion simply because I was a skinhead wearing an england football top(we were on our way to watch England play on a pub screen) I must be nazi. They thought Ivan was a nazi because he had Blonde hair and Blue Eyes. Brendan well they came to the conclusion he looked a right hard cunt.
Let me not start on those cunts 'No Platform' - Remember them anyone? Fuck me one of them used to phone up making threats to me simply because I pointed their failings out. This bloke said him and his mates wanted to mee t me in London on my own so I asked them to come along next time Wolves or Telford played a London club. I said I'd either have the lads from Wolves (Bridge Boys) or some of Telfords Firm (Who were made up of ex hooligans from various London and Midlands clubs). No Platform didn't want to know.
The jist was I set up The Smash The BNP campaign and gigs were going to be on around the country. The profits from any gigs were going to go straight to No Platform so I thought it was only fair they supply some stewards. London agreed to this and on the 1st gig in Wales no one showed up from No Patform. London then said this was bollocls they had offered to send stewards despite haveing an email from one of their members. An Anarchist from Bristol was confirmed by the header and IP addy that this had come from No Platform. When it became reality No Platform weren't going to show I then had to cancel the next gig in Leeds etc etc. My point was that it was unfair to ask footie hoolie mates to do the stewarding when it weren't their fight.
Some of you might like to know some of these cunts from No Platform are part of the Antifa which has been set up in the UK. They haven't done very much and from I've heard from people close to them they're a tad upset that they haven't been asked to be involved in the IWCA gig in London.
Dave Hann and Steve Tilzey bring up some good points regards Anti Fascism and Anti Fascism should again be heading in forming an Umbrella organisation where everyone can get involved with the fight against fascism.
Nuff Said!
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Post by anarcho on Jul 4, 2005 17:45:57 GMT
being there and involved in politics at the time i saw lots of anarchist involvement in the poll tax campaigns (though was not an anarchist at the time)
As for AF stuff well as the bulk of AFA was made up of anarchists i find it hard that anyone can say that anarchists wasn't really involved. yes many mistakes were made but at the end of the day when AFA was at its height in the mid 90's the BNP couldn't hold public meetings anywhere across the north.
What really pisses me off is that groups like red action destroyed AFA for there big master plan of the IWCA which died here and left a lot of very good people bitter.
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Post by John Dooley on Jul 4, 2005 18:18:47 GMT
being there and involved in politics at the time i saw lots of anarchist involvement in the poll tax campaigns (though was not an anarchist at the time) As for AF stuff well as the bulk of AFA was made up of anarchists i find it hard that anyone can say that anarchists wasn't really involved. yes many mistakes were made but at the end of the day when AFA was at its height in the mid 90's the BNP couldn't hold public meetings anywhere across the north. What really pisses me off is that groups like red action destroyed AFA for there big master plan of the IWCA which died here and left a lot of very good people bitter. A very good point very well made Anarcho. |
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Post by bulgarianoipunk on Sept 19, 2005 16:00:29 GMT
Well here in Bulgaria we're very little ppl that can stand against the fucking facists ! It's very hard in our capitol to fight against the nacists and facists cause they are about 5000 only in our capitol ! We've made some protests against but we was only 40 ppl - Anti-FA and anarchists ! In Bulgaria the situation is pretty fucked up! Cause we've try anything to kick out the bonheads away from the ppl , they beat even the normal civil ppl that walking in the parks ! And it becomes much hard when they are with the hooligans ! BUT WE WILL KEEP FIGHT AGAINST THAT BRAINLESS LOOSERS AND WILL KEEP KICKING THERE'S ASSES WHEN WE SEE THEM !
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