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Post by petey on Feb 11, 2005 22:24:46 GMT
well after years of being called a queer by others I got pissed off homophobia and racism is the whole reason I was drawn to the left also I come from a family of leftists and I am also chicano which forced me into my dislike of whitepower groups
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Post by Nick UF on Feb 13, 2005 3:13:24 GMT
Good for you Petey, always be proud of your familys struggles... your sexuality shouldnt matter to anyone, it doesn't even mean left/right. Some of the strongest minded and intelligent skins I have met have been gay, I have nothing but respect for them.
Something relatively new that I'd like to ask about, is that the skinhead 'look' has become in some places a 'gay fetish'; often people just taking on the look because they think it looks 'manly' or 'aggressive' or something... these folk have no interest in the history, culture, ska, oi, music, etc. What do people think of this? I find it funny cos its the same with the boneheads, they think that cos they are nazi they should dress a certain way; with both you can spot a mile off cos they look like a hollywood version of skinhead... now just remember by this I dont mean gay skinheads, just people who want to misuse the look, and the culture, for their own interpretation.
Skinheads not a fashion, its a way of life!
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Post by tonymaloney on Feb 13, 2005 13:59:11 GMT
wise words nick. i think some gays adopt the image to look "hard" to deter "queerbashers" who are often doing this because of issues surrounding their own sexuality. its a mad world.
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Post by petey on Feb 14, 2005 2:22:54 GMT
no, I am just living for something so I dont die for nothing. and the left has been something to live for as well as a safe haven for me.
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Post by tonymaloney on Feb 14, 2005 15:52:41 GMT
thats cool petey. i wasnt suggesting that you fell into that category. as far as im concerned people should be able to live their life regardless of gender, sexuality, colour,dress style, etc. without being hassled by morons.
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Post by CHIP on Feb 14, 2005 20:36:42 GMT
Skinhead to me equates to working class... it was born from the working class, so anything that divides working class people is surely not compatible?
Most visibly, that would be racism, but sexism and homophobia create just as many divisions.
I can't arsed with the idea of SHARP crews, I guess coming from the UK, its never been a phenomenon I've encountered. Fair play to anyone who's involved in a crew, but it doesn't really apply over here. I agree that its an attitude, not a patch. And I also agree it shouldn't be anything to do with your left or right tendencies... its a straightforward statement, does exactly what it says on the tin (although I'm a leftie die-hard myself, who'd probably fit into the RASH bracket...)
In regard to the skinhead-as-fetish thing, a weird thing happened to my mate the other week. He was at a club in Chapeltown (West Indian area in Leeds). Now this club is totally gay-friendly and mixed-race (the hard-as-nails black bouncers give you a clue...) It also gets the odd gay skinhead in (whether they're just fetish posers or not, I couldn't tell you as I've never talked to them). Anyway, my mate is lurking about outside when this guy walks up to the door... razored head, British camos, high-top boots, green flighty and built like a tank. Looks a bit of a bonehead, which would be strange to say the least in a venue like that, so my mate goes up and checks his badges, and he's got the lot... SS, B&H, Skrewdriver. My mate starts having a go at him, and his crap defence was that "I'm only wearing them coz the government wants to ban this sort of thing"?!?! Bouncers come and split it up before the possible bonehead can get a slap, let the fucker in (!!!) and threaten to do my mate (who had been booted out a couple of weeks earlier for causing bother). I wasn't quite sure what to make of this, but bearing in mind normal boneheads aren't usually fond of gay-friendly techno nights in black areas, I'd assume we have a case of 'plastic bonehead' here?
Fucking weird, and hopefully the bloke will have the sense not to flirt with that sort of imagery in the future, but if you take the charicature of the skinhead look, without actually being one, or having any appreciation of the culture (which this dick obviously didn't), that's what you end up with...
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Post by petey on Feb 19, 2005 18:16:40 GMT
I'm sorry I've kinda had this little problem: I like emo as well
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Post by Bootboy Geth on Feb 21, 2005 17:36:45 GMT
I'm sorry I've kinda had this little problem: I like emo as well
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Post by Reverend Brogues on Feb 28, 2005 22:54:18 GMT
Hi everyone! Here i come to join this forum a little time ... I live in Bordeaux (red red wine...). My opinion about the so called controverse sharp/leftwingers/rash is maybe a little different as the opinion can american or northern countries people have.. The truth is that here we've got a cool scene with a lot of tendencies (from Redskins militant to skinhead reggae lovers who take their pleasure in everyday life after a hard day work...). Here it's a quite capitalistic city when the arrogance of "bourgeoisie" made that a lot of youngsters organise themselves in a relative open minded solidarity ... Yes i love skinhead reggae and soul more than other style but it doesn't a problem when friends of mine make strange arty jazz core stuff in their concerts place or when the young local redskin crew make their concerts . In fact here the situation was so bad in the 80/90's with so called "nazi skins"that we were probably there only city when the non fascists skins have to be considered as normal people amongst the whole underground scene ... The good exemple was for us, when we used to see gigs in "Spain" (basque country ) and meet hundreds of skins organised in street based collectives.
On the one hand i think that things with fascism , police oppression and all the crap has gone too far to stay inna Spirit of 69 dogmatic attitude ... Skinhead is not a religion , it's up to you to "customize " with your eveyday life...(and fascist are a problem not a question of " they take my wardrob"), and your reaction about your daily life has something politic , no ? . On the other hand i must admit that skinhead will never be understood by the "trendy leftits ", but that's not my problem i never choose this life to please to anyone, it doesn't mean that i must fight with them (except when they "piss on my boots" So what about unity ( with the redskins) ? I try not to be close minded to anyone except with people that pretend destroy the other only for reasons of "race", origins and sexual orientations . It's not skinhead it's just human... It's politic ... The problem with some redskins (and a minority of them ) , is that as in every human group it can be a way to make for few of them a warrior personality , ignoring the fascination of "black music" the style and the fun... Despite the fact that to be a redskin means that you must fight politicaly where there are politic problems (the worst happens in your job, to get a flat not in the little skinhead world...). keeping politic out of the scene ? it's a dream but a stupid one, it's to late to go back in the golden age...(and no one will prove me that all 60's skins where just honest , working class kids acting with honor ).
Stay Sharp...
Reverend Brogues sharp Gasconhà , Spy Market Crew
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Post by petey on Mar 5, 2005 19:59:54 GMT
Is that bad? I mean like I like bright eyes because it brings out the sensitive poet in me. I still like HxC and Oi! and punk. But I dont know I just dont wanna be macho anymore. I wanna show my soft side. Is that wrong?
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Post by Bootboy Geth on Mar 5, 2005 21:20:30 GMT
im sure you can show youre soft side in other ways
but I dont think anyone of any gender, sexual pesuasion or race should be listening to emo
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Post by Rod on Mar 8, 2005 17:57:57 GMT
im sure you can show youre soft side in other ways but I dont think anyone of any gender, sexual pesuasion or race should be listening to emo HAHAHAHAHA take that emo! most of the kids around here are all emo, they see boots and turned up jeans and they run for cover lol
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Post by petey on Mar 9, 2005 22:17:52 GMT
no I like many genres and lately its been alot of emo. and not the poppy shit but the kinda folky stuff. I prefer not to label myself as anything I DO have a HUGE love for Oi! and HxC and I love to listen to ska and I LOVE PUNK ROCK (ie. conflict, crass and icons of filth) and I like death fucking metal (ie.death) and I enjoy grindcore, and something about bright eyes attracts me maybe I have a crush on conor oberst.
and no I am not "an emo kid" I am just petey who happens to be vegan (leftover from those hardline days) I found I cant accept the label of any thing and if you guys were really about unity you would accept me as a friend no mater what my musical tastes are....
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Post by NewJersey Rookie on Mar 9, 2005 23:28:04 GMT
SKINHEAD UNITY SHARP/RASH/TRAD/TROJAN/HARDCORE/Oi!/SKA/ AFA/ARA,etc,etc. Whatever you call yourself,whatever you listen to,whatever your politics,none of this matters and we should all respect each other as Skinheads and raise ourselves out of the Fascist inspired confusion surrounding the culture. Most of the confusion between normal skinheads and racist skinheads comes from the media. Shouldn't some of the SHARP aggro be directed towards them as well. Remember they are tainting your precious scene. Its them that group all skins together, not any boneheads or sharps or trads. In fact I think its pretty safe to say skins on both sides of the spectrum want little to do with the other or are really similar in anyway. I thought sharps would be a little more selective in who they choose to side with. It seems you accept anyone no matter what kinda peice of shit they are, as long as they are so called anti-racist. Well everytime hollywood releases a movie with skinheads waving around nazi flags the wall gets busted down. I've said this before but it doesn't seem like the boneheads have much to do with the real skinhead scene. They have their own bands which from what I've sampled (sorry I've pulled in some bad stuff from kazaa when leech downloading) sounds like metal and hardcore. They don't even dress the same, they look like bikers more than skinheads. This 'scene' mutation is clearly a media thing. Maybe you should try looking there as well to solve this problem. What I find sad is a lot of the skins today spend most of their time talking/bitching about the boneheads. Talk about propagating the problem! Sometimes I think a lot of these skinheads like having a few boneheads around because it gives them something to talk about. Hell its hard to even have a conversation with a lot of the newer skins around. They don't even talk about football or music or work or anything. They talk about bonehead sightings or how they are ruining their scene. Fuck even when their aren't even any boneheads anywhere near the area. They are so eager to point out that they are the skins on the good side that they introduce themselves as Trad or Antis or go around asking every skin they meet if they are a fucking nazi. Some people should learn to get over it already. The honest truth is I doubt racists are going to be going anywhere. They have been around long before we were born and they will be around long after..
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Post by crucialskin85 on Mar 9, 2005 23:47:03 GMT
The media is a piece of shit, and they should be battled over their portrayl of skinheads, but that doesn't mean that we should stop fighting the Nazi element. It is true that racism has been around forever, but that is no excuse to do nothing about it. Ignoring racism will always have terrible consequences.
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